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Medlicott connections

Irish links

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The two main family seats were in Dunmurry in Kildare, started by George Medlicott and Westport, Co. Mayo by Thomas Medlicot, with the family subsequently relocating to Rocketts Castle in Waterford. The principal sub-headings are: Dunmurry Westport / Rocketts Castle Other

Dunmurry

Bagot Charles Hoysted wrote: "just came accross your very interesting website re the Medlicotts.. I am no relation or no big historian, though...many many times I have visited Kildare church and visited your ancestors graves.. Your ancestor married a Bagot of Nurney Castle who had a Temperence Bagot married to my ancestor John Hoysted... The Bagots/brownes/Hoysteds/Medlicotts were very very much linked... In 1798 My ancestor, his brother, Fredrick William with John Bagot defended Monastrevin with 80 odd cavalry against 1300 rebels..... 300 rebels died with no fatalities to the defenders. Father Pendergrast was hung immediately after that for his association with the rebels." The Hoysted ancestors are buried in what is know as 'Hoysteds Pound' in the centre of Kildangan Stud, just outside Kildare town....if you ever hear anything about our family or the Bagots of Nurney I would be delighted to hear from you. Scriven Katie Morris from California wrote to say that Jane Medlicott married to J. Scriven, was the mother of Joseph Medlicott Scriven, he wrote the hymn, 'What a Friend We Have In Jesus'. His story says he was baptised by her brother, Rev. Joseph Medlicott, a Wiltshire Vicar. She was a ggggrandmother to me. Her daughter Jane Bury Scriven married Edward Kentish Evans and they came to the United States. Katie went on to say: "In our family here Jane Bury Scriven born May 28, 1828, Winchester England, near South Hampton (daughter of Jane Medlicott and John John Scriven) married Edward Kentish Evans iin 1860. Their son Edward William Mervyn Evans wrote some family stories down. They mention, of Jane Bury Scriven "a sister married a man named Medlicott and she was the mother of the tall nice Charley ." "Grandma was one of a rather remarkable family, quite large, but when she came to America, she was the third to leave the old home. One brother went to India; then there was Uncle Joe Scriven, a beloved and well known clergyman in Canada. There is a beautiful shrine and monument to his memory near Quebec. He was known for his good works, but we know him for another reason. At the death of a brother in England, he was unable to go to his Mother, so he sent her a beautiful poem as consolation. This was set to music and is in many hymnals as "What a Friend We Have In Jesus". also "There was one of the brothers called "Handsome Jack of the Queen's Own, so he must have been in the British Army in the Queens regiment. We have been able to find that a W.B.B. Scriven was William Barkley Brown Scriven, a brother to Joseph Medlicott Scriven. His marriage to Sarah was performed by Joseph Medlicott. All the stories were written before 1967 and before all the information on the internet. None of the internet information ever mentions the hymn written because of a brothers death." Youngstown House Brian Kelly wrote "Just to let you know, I have been looking at the information on the Medlicott Family History on your website. I live in Youngstown House in Co. Kildare, Ireland, which was built in 1750 and was home to James Medlicott who was Sheriff of County Kildare. My father bought the house and farm at Youngstown in the 1950s from the Masterson family. I am very interested in the History of Youngstown and of the Medlicott family - I have searched the web before for information on the Medlicotts of Dunmurry and only came across your website today."

Westport / Rocketts Castle

Clew Bay – Newport Miceal Ross, sent me me the following information in relation to his interest in the O'Donels of Newport who bought lands in the barony of Burrishoole from hard up Medlycotts . Some miles north of Westport is the second town on Clew Bay – Newport. In a brief study of the Mayo O’Donels he found that they had bought the lease of the Manor of Burrishoole from the Medlycotts in 1785. These O’Donels were descended from the Lords of Donegal and made their money by smuggling. The Burrishoole estate of approximately 70,000 acres was acquired by Thomas Medlycott, Chief Commissioner of Revenue in Ireland, from Charles Butler, Earl of Arran and grandson of the 1st Duke of Ormonde, at the turn of the 17th century. (Charles became earl in 1693 after the Williamite victory in which Thomas may have played a part?) Later on in the 18th century the Medlycotts found themselves in financial difficulties and sold the estate to John Browne 1st Earl of Altamont on 15 July 1774, who sold it back to the Medlycotts on a lease in perpetuity. This lease was sold by the Medlycotts to Sir Neal O'Donel in 1785. Earlier the Medlycotts had leased the property to Mr Pratt, Clerk of the Treasury [John Pratt of Cabra Castle, Co Cavan, Deputy Treasurer, died 1740] but when he got into financial difficulty the estate had reverted to the Medlycotts. The Medlycotts had another estate at Rocket's Castle, county Waterford, where they resided during the 19th century. Rev. John T. Medlicott was among the principal lessors in the parish of Clonagam, barony of Upperthird, at the time of Griffith's Valuation. Rocketts Castle Roger Carden Depper wrote to say "I am tracing my Great Grandmother's family. Her name was Amy Templemore Lockwood. I have found Elizabeth Lockwood daughter of William Lockwood marrying John Thomas Medlycott in Ireland. Do you have any details regarding the Lockwood Family. From the 1700 to 1800 numerous members of the family lived in Cashel. The family had strong links to the Carden Family of Templemore." Subsequently Roger found that John Thomas Medlycott was born c 1760 Co.Mayo, New Port Pratt and died 2 April 1827. John and Elizabeth had 4 daughters and one son. They lived at Rocketts Castle,Co. Waterford. The son was a Rev. John Thomas Medlycott who married a Mary Congreve.

Miscellaneous

Medlycott spelling Richard Medlycott of Australia wrote "Great to see that someone else is doing a bit towards the Family Name. Hi My name is Richard Medlycott and I have been researching the family name for about forty odd years. I don't know if you have seen the website at www.chariot.net.au/~ace. There you can go back to George Medlicott who I think owned Dunmurry. From records it seem that George followed his brother Thomas Medlicott to Ireland, he own Rocketts Castle." "The interesting thing about Thomas and George, is when their father died he had his name as MEDLYCOTT on the tomb stone, also some documents were spelt this way. So we thing that this is where the family broke away from the Medlicott spelling." Ghost story Miceal Ross, who is a story teller living in Ireland, was alo kind enought to send me this ghost story recorded by the famous Irish writer St John Gogarty which involves a Mary Medlicott drowned in the Caribbean in the 18th century. Oliver St John Gogarty was a famous all rounder – great athlete, first class poet, raconteur, wit, surgeon and Senator of the Irish Free State in 1922. He wrote a number of books, often lampooning his contemporaries. Gogarty relates this story which he called “The White Lady”  “On an evening in December I was walking home with Newburn, who lived on the south side of Stephen's Green. It was about 6 P.M. and quite dark. He asked me into his house. I waited in the hall while he searched for the light switch. He did not find it. Instead I heard him fumbling in a closet under the stairs. At last he emerged and lighted the hall. He looked perturbed. "Say nothing about it to my wife," he said. "I saw the White Lady coming down the stairs when I came in. I thought she had hidden herself under it. There was no sign of her. I searched with my foot to where the stairs meet the floor. That's what delayed me." The house is old enough to have a ghost, I thought. Then I asked, "Who is the White Lady?" "I'll show you her miniature as soon as we go up. Don't worry about it now." When we reached the drawing room there was no sign of Mrs. Newburn. Her husband went to the mantelpiece and took down a miniature, framed in pinchbeck, of a young woman, half length, dressed in white. "For God's sake keep this and take it out of the house. It may put an end to her walking." Mrs. Newburn, a quiet woman, appeared. We had some desultory talk. She glanced at the vacant place where the miniature had been but she made no remark. Soon I took my leave. When I got home, I put the miniature in a drawer and forgot about it for many years. When I found it, seeing that nothing had happened, I put it in the back drawing room over the mantel. Years later when I took it down -I must have been telling someone about it - the blue paper at the back had come loose and showed some writing in faded ink. "Mary Medlicott drowned at sea when crossing from the Barbados 1771." So that was the name of the White Lady. I wondered if she or her people had been the owners of Newburn's house. The painting on ivory was the work of the eighteenth-century artist, Nathaniel Hone. It was a valuable gift that Newburn had given me.” Apparently there are other stories related to Mary Medlicott. Does the minature still exist?

© philip medlicott 2021

Medlicott connections

Irish links

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The two main family seats were in Dunmurry in Kildare, started by George Medlicott and Westport, Co. Mayo by Thomas Medlicot, with the family subsequently relocating to Rocketts Castle in Waterford. The principal sub-headings are: Dunmurry Westport / Rocketts Castle Other

Dunmurry

Bagot Charles Hoysted wrote: "just came accross your very interesting website re the Medlicotts.. I am no relation or no big historian, though...many many times I have visited Kildare church and visited your ancestors graves.. Your ancestor married a Bagot of Nurney Castle who had a Temperence Bagot married to my ancestor John Hoysted... The Bagots/brownes/Hoysteds/Medlicotts were very very much linked... In 1798 My ancestor, his brother, Fredrick William with John Bagot defended Monastrevin with 80 odd cavalry against 1300 rebels..... 300 rebels died with no fatalities to the defenders. Father Pendergrast was hung immediately after that for his association with the rebels." The Hoysted ancestors are buried in what is know as 'Hoysteds Pound' in the centre of Kildangan Stud, just outside Kildare town....if you ever hear anything about our family or the Bagots of Nurney I would be delighted to hear from you. Scriven Katie Morris from California wrote to say that Jane Medlicott married to J. Scriven, was the mother of Joseph Medlicott Scriven, he wrote the hymn, 'What a Friend We Have In Jesus'. His story says he was baptised by her brother, Rev. Joseph Medlicott, a Wiltshire Vicar. She was a ggggrandmother to me. Her daughter Jane Bury Scriven married Edward Kentish Evans and they came to the United States. Katie went on to say: "In our family here Jane Bury Scriven born May 28, 1828, Winchester England, near South Hampton (daughter of Jane Medlicott and John John Scriven) married Edward Kentish Evans iin 1860. Their son Edward William Mervyn Evans wrote some family stories down. They mention, of Jane Bury Scriven "a sister married a man named Medlicott and she was the mother of the tall nice Charley ." "Grandma was one of a rather remarkable family, quite large, but when she came to America, she was the third to leave the old home. One brother went to India; then there was Uncle Joe Scriven, a beloved and well known clergyman in Canada. There is a beautiful shrine and monument to his memory near Quebec. He was known for his good works, but we know him for another reason. At the death of a brother in England, he was unable to go to his Mother, so he sent her a beautiful poem as consolation. This was set to music and is in many hymnals as "What a Friend We Have In Jesus". also "There was one of the brothers called "Handsome Jack of the Queen's Own, so he must have been in the British Army in the Queens regiment. We have been able to find that a W.B.B. Scriven was William Barkley Brown Scriven, a brother to Joseph Medlicott Scriven. His marriage to Sarah was performed by Joseph Medlicott. All the stories were written before 1967 and before all the information on the internet. None of the internet information ever mentions the hymn written because of a brothers death." Youngstown House Brian Kelly wrote "Just to let you know, I have been looking at the information on the Medlicott Family History on your website. I live in Youngstown House in Co. Kildare, Ireland, which was built in 1750 and was home to James Medlicott who was Sheriff of County Kildare. My father bought the house and farm at Youngstown in the 1950s from the Masterson family. I am very interested in the History of Youngstown and of the Medlicott family - I have searched the web before for information on the Medlicotts of Dunmurry and only came across your website today."

Westport / Rocketts Castle

Clew Bay – Newport Miceal Ross, sent me me the following information in relation to his interest in the O'Donels of Newport who bought lands in the barony of Burrishoole from hard up Medlycotts . Some miles north of Westport is the second town on Clew Bay – Newport. In a brief study of the Mayo O’Donels he found that they had bought the lease of the Manor of Burrishoole from the Medlycotts in 1785. These O’Donels were descended from the Lords of Donegal and made their money by smuggling. The Burrishoole estate of approximately 70,000 acres was acquired by Thomas Medlycott, Chief Commissioner of Revenue in Ireland, from Charles Butler, Earl of Arran and grandson of the 1st Duke of Ormonde, at the turn of the 17th century. (Charles became earl in 1693 after the Williamite victory in which Thomas may have played a part?) Later on in the 18th century the Medlycotts found themselves in financial difficulties and sold the estate to John Browne 1st Earl of Altamont on 15 July 1774, who sold it back to the Medlycotts on a lease in perpetuity. This lease was sold by the Medlycotts to Sir Neal O'Donel in 1785. Earlier the Medlycotts had leased the property to Mr Pratt, Clerk of the Treasury [John Pratt of Cabra Castle, Co Cavan, Deputy Treasurer, died 1740] but when he got into financial difficulty the estate had reverted to the Medlycotts. The Medlycotts had another estate at Rocket's Castle, county Waterford, where they resided during the 19th century. Rev. John T. Medlicott was among the principal lessors in the parish of Clonagam, barony of Upperthird, at the time of Griffith's Valuation. Rocketts Castle Roger Carden Depper wrote to say "I am tracing my Great Grandmother's family. Her name was Amy Templemore Lockwood. I have found Elizabeth Lockwood daughter of William Lockwood marrying John Thomas Medlycott in Ireland. Do you have any details regarding the Lockwood Family. From the 1700 to 1800 numerous members of the family lived in Cashel. The family had strong links to the Carden Family of Templemore." Subsequently Roger found that John Thomas Medlycott was born c 1760 Co.Mayo, New Port Pratt and died 2 April 1827. John and Elizabeth had 4 daughters and one son. They lived at Rocketts Castle,Co. Waterford. The son was a Rev. John Thomas Medlycott who married a Mary Congreve.

Miscellaneous

Medlycott spelling Richard Medlycott of Australia wrote "Great to see that someone else is doing a bit towards the Family Name. Hi My name is Richard Medlycott and I have been researching the family name for about forty odd years. I don't know if you have seen the website at www.chariot.net.au/~ace. There you can go back to George Medlicott who I think owned Dunmurry. From records it seem that George followed his brother Thomas Medlicott to Ireland, he own Rocketts Castle." "The interesting thing about Thomas and George, is when their father died he had his name as MEDLYCOTT on the tomb stone, also some documents were spelt this way. So we thing that this is where the family broke away from the Medlicott spelling." Ghost story Miceal Ross, who is a story teller living in Ireland, was alo kind enought to send me this ghost story recorded by the famous Irish writer St John Gogarty which involves a Mary Medlicott drowned in the Caribbean in the 18th century. Oliver St John Gogarty was a famous all rounder – great athlete, first class poet, raconteur, wit, surgeon and Senator of the Irish Free State in 1922. He wrote a number of books, often lampooning his contemporaries. Gogarty relates this story which he called “The White Lady”  “On an evening in December I was walking home with Newburn, who lived on the south side of Stephen's Green. It was about 6 P.M. and quite dark. He asked me into his house. I waited in the hall while he searched for the light switch. He did not find it. Instead I heard him fumbling in a closet under the stairs. At last he emerged and lighted the hall. He looked perturbed. "Say nothing about it to my wife," he said. "I saw the White Lady coming down the stairs when I came in. I thought she had hidden herself under it. There was no sign of her. I searched with my foot to where the stairs meet the floor. That's what delayed me." The house is old enough to have a ghost, I thought. Then I asked, "Who is the White Lady?" "I'll show you her miniature as soon as we go up. Don't worry about it now." When we reached the drawing room there was no sign of Mrs. Newburn. Her husband went to the mantelpiece and took down a miniature, framed in pinchbeck, of a young woman, half length, dressed in white. "For God's sake keep this and take it out of the house. It may put an end to her walking." Mrs. Newburn, a quiet woman, appeared. We had some desultory talk. She glanced at the vacant place where the miniature had been but she made no remark. Soon I took my leave. When I got home, I put the miniature in a drawer and forgot about it for many years. When I found it, seeing that nothing had happened, I put it in the back drawing room over the mantel. Years later when I took it down -I must have been telling someone about it - the blue paper at the back had come loose and showed some writing in faded ink. "Mary Medlicott drowned at sea when crossing from the Barbados 1771." So that was the name of the White Lady. I wondered if she or her people had been the owners of Newburn's house. The painting on ivory was the work of the eighteenth-century artist, Nathaniel Hone. It was a valuable gift that Newburn had given me.” Apparently there are other stories related to Mary Medlicott. Does the minature still exist?