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Medlicott of Dunmurry

THE LINEAGE OF

MARGARET, wife of James Edward Medlicott, of Dunmurry,

County Kildare, Ireland:-

The ROSE family of Kilravock (pronounced Kilrawock), County Nairn, Scotland, is of such early origin as to be (according to Scotch genealogists) lost in antiquity. The heads of the family were known as "Barons" or holders of freehold estates, a title that passed out of use more than a hundred years ago. A HUGH ROSE of Kilravock died 1755. His daughter Margaret married Joshua Mackenzie, M.D., a direct descendant of Mackenzie of Kintail. Their daughter Hannah married in 1755 John Davidson of Ravelrigg, whose son - Joshua Henry Davidson. M.D., Physician in Ordinary to H.M. - married Stuart, the beautiful daughter of Captain Sutherland and Margaret Dallas his wife.(Stuart Davidson's portrait by Geddes is in the possession of her Great-grandson Captain Richard Herbert Shaw.) Dr. Davidson and his wife Stuart had, (with other children) a daughter Margaret, who married James Edward Medlicott, of Dunmurry, County Kildare. NOTES. The eldest son of Margaret Rose, who married Joshua Mackenzie, M.D., was Henry Mackenzie, well known in the literary circles of his time, as "The Man of Feeling," from the title of one of his works. His portrait is in the National Gallery of Scotland. A print from this picture hangs in Dunmurry. Henry Mackenzie married Penuel, daughter of Sir Ludovic Grant, and their son Joshua Henry (Lord of Appeal in Scotland) married the Hon. Helen Anne Mackenzie, daughter of Lord Seaforth (title now extinct). Helen Mackenzie Medlicott, 4th daughter of James E. Medlicott of Dunmurry, was named after her (the Hon. Helen Anne Mackenzie), whose daughter, Miss Penuel Mackenzie, was her god-mother. There in a beautiful window in Christ Church Priory, near Bournemouth, to some of the ROSE family, who probably came South after the troubles of 1715 and ’45. ROSE graves are to be seen in the Priory graveyard. A Place at Mudeford, near Christchurch, was once the residence of a Sir William Rose, with whom Sir Walter Scott was staying, when he wrote "Marmion". The name of the place is "Gundimore". The room in which Sir Walter Scott wrote is octagonal, with an inscription in Arabic over the chimneypiece, a feature of great curiosity to sightseers. ----------

EXTRACTS from the HISTORY of the ROSE FAMILY of KILRAVOCK, County of Nairn, Scotland.

-------------------- The HISTORY of the family of ROSE, of KILRAVOCK was first printed in 1683 or 4, by the Rev. Hew Rose, Minister of Nairn, collected from very early M.S.S., which had survived the various assaults made on Kilravock and the Church of Elgin, by Edward the First and others, in 1390 and 1482. The name Rose has been variously written. In or about the 14th Century the owner of Kilravock was Hugoni de Rose - later – ROOS, ROIS and ROSS. Their coat of arms is "Or, a boar's head couped gules, betwixt three water‑budgets sable. Above the shield - ane helmet (befitting his degree) mantled gules, doubled argent. Next is placed ane torse or wreath of his colours, for his crest - ane harp azure. The Motto is "Constant and True." The Water-budgets are on several very ancient coats of arms. i.e., Earls Eu of Normandie in France; Earls of Essex, and the Bourchier family. They originated with the crusaders, water-budgets being the means of carrying water in the East, and was given to those crusaders who "caryed valiantly".) The boar's head was assumed in 1364 by a Rose marrying a daughter of a Chisholm, whose arms the boar's head was. The 3 lyons was taken by the 1st Earl of Ross (undoubtedly a kinsman of Rose of Kilravock, who was of an earlier branch of the family). The 1st Earl of Ross had the 3 lyons bestowed on him for "Prowess In overthrowing a Norman wrestler in the presence of the Kings of Scotland and England. The Arms of Normandie, Scotland and England bearing a lyon (lion)." Kilravock dates from 1200 or 1230. The first Hugo de Geddes, in the reign of Alexander the 3rd, married into the de Bosco family. Sir Andrew de Bosco married Elizabeth Bisset, who was heiress and "Ladye of Kilravock," and in her widowhood gave Kilravock to her son- in-law Hugo de Rose and his wife, somewhere about 1280 or 1300. This Hugo (or Hugh) de Rose died 1306. In May 1343, John de Rose obtained King James the First's (of Scotland) confirmation of his ownership of Kilravock by Royal Charter. (Kilravock was then styled a "Barronie," and its owner a "Baron," meaning a laird with certain powers, but not a nobleman)". The present owner of Kilravock (1939) is Colonel Hugh Rose, late of the famous Regt. the 42nd Highlanders, or Black Watch". Colonel Rose is married and has a son. marriages 1. HUGH (or Hugo) de Geddes, m. Marie, dau. of Sir Andrew de Bosco, Kt. Her Mother was Elizabeth, dau. and heiress of a noble person - Sir John de Bisset. She was styled the "Ladye of Kilravock", and at her widowhood gave Kilravock to her daughter Marie and her son–in- law Hugo do Geddes. This Hugo de Geddes, first owner of Kilravock, d. about 1306, and was succeeded by his son 2. WILLIAM (Sir William). m. Muriella de Doune, dau. of Andrew de Doune. Succeeded by his son 3. HUGH. Name of wife not recorded. d. about 1363. Succeeded by his son 4. HUGH. m. Johanna de Chesholm (or Chisholm). d. 1388. Succeeded by his son 5. HUGH. No record of wife's name. In his time the charters of the family (and records) were burned in the Church of Elgin (and other churches), by Alexander of Scotland and some of the Highland Clans. d. about 1420, and was succeeded by his son 6. JOHN. m. Isabel Cheyne, dau. of the family of Essilmont in Buchan. d. about 1454. Succeeded by his second son (His oldest son became a Priest) 7. JOHN. m. Moir McIntosh. dau. of Malcolm Begg McIntosh, Captain of the Clanchattan. d. 1494. Succeeded by his son 8. HUGH. m. (1st) Isabel Sutherland, dau, of William Sutherland of Beridal. No record of children. (2nd) Margaret Gordon. dau. of the Marquis of Huntly. Hugh Rose married twice after (4 times in all). No record of children of last 2 marriages. (It in interesting to note that Hugh Rose had 3 daus. (1) Isabel, m. John, heir to William, the Thane of Calder or Cawder (see Shakespeare's "Macbeth"). His 3rd dau. m. Alexander, another son of the Thane of Cawder), Hugh Rose d. 1517, and was succeeded by his son by his second wife Margaret Gordon 9. HUGH. m. Agnes Urquhart, dau. of Alexander Urquhart of Cromartie (a very ancient family). d. about 1544, and was succeeded by his son 10. HUGH m. Katharen Falconer, dau. of David Falconer of Halkerstoune. This Hugh Rose was taken prisoner at the Battle of Pinkie, and ransomed for "ane hundred angels nobles." d. 1597, and was succeeded by his son 11. WILLIAM. m. Lilias Hay, dau. of - Hay of Dalgatie (a very ancient family). d. 1611. Succeeded by his son 12. HUGE. m. Magdalen Fraser, dau, of Thomas Fraser of Lovat. It is recorded of Magdalen Fraser, Lady Kilravock, that "She was a virtuous and religious woman, and contributed to maintain an exact government and economy in the family". Of the Baron Hugh Rose - "He might be truly called the father of his clan and tenants." Hugh Rose d. 1643, and was succeeded by his son 13. HUGH. m. Margaret Sinclair (or Sinclare), dau. of Sir John Sinclare of Dunbeth. (She had a very large dowry for those days, nearly £10,000). d. 1649. Succeeded by his son 14. HUGH. m. (1st) Margaret Innes, dau. of Sir Robert Innes. She was related through her Mother to the House of Buccleugh. (2nd) to Mary Forbes, dau. of Lord Forbes. Hugh Rose d. 1639, and was succeeded by his son Hugh (by his first wife) 15. HUGH. m. five times. (lst) Margaret Campbell, dau. of Sir Hugh Campbell and Lady Henrietta Stuart, dau. of the Earl of Murray (Muray or Moray). She had a son Hugh, and a daughter Margaret, who m. Sir John Mackenzie of Coul. He had four other wives of no importance as regards birth. (This marriage with Margaret Campbell brings in the Royal blood in succeeding generations - namely - the Stuart connection. Also - the connection with the Mackenzies of Coul). Hugh Rose d. 1732. Succeeded by his son 16. HUGH. born 1684 (the first record of birth of the heirs to be depended on). m. Elizabeth. dau. of Sir Ludovic Grant, Laird of Grant. She died about 1712 "much lamented, as she was a gentlewoman eminently pious and virtuous." Hugh Rose m. (2nd) Jean Rose dau. of John Rose of Braidley, and her daughter - Margaret - m. Joshua Mackenzie, M.D. (Here the family connection with the Mackenzies comes in). Hugh Rose openly joined the Protestant Party, and voted against the Treaty of Union. He would not join in the attempt made in 1715 by the Stuarts to uphold their rights. He d. 1755, and was succeeded by his son. 17. HUGH. b. about 1705. m. Elizabeth, dau. of Col. William Clephane. Records tell us "He was a gentleman of polite accomplishments. Master of the Greek, Latin and French languages, and was well acquainted with the belles-lettres and history, both ancient and modern. His life was sober, upright and impartial." He d. 1772, and was succeeded by his son 18. HUGH. Date of birth not certain. m. Anne Fraser (a girl of low birth but of great beauty). Hugh Rose d. 1782, and was succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth. 19. ELIZABETH. b. 1747, m. her kinsman Hugh Rose of Brea. She d. 1815, and was succeeded by her son 20. HUGH. No record of date of birth. He never married. Entered the Civil Service of the East India Company. It is recorded that "He inherited the gentle manners and retiring nature of his family. With an expression of gravity, he had quick perception, and much humorous power in conversation." He had a passionate attachment to the old place (Kilravock). This Hugh Rose d. comparatively young, and was succeeded by his brother 21. JOHN. No record of birth. Entered the Army early, and was Captain in the 55th Regiment. He m. Ellen Phyllis, dau. of Richard Pattinson of Montreal. No record of date of death. Succeeded by his son 22. HUGE. Entered the Army and is Colonel (retired) of the famous 42nd Regt. (the "Black Watch"). He is married and has a son. He is still living (1939) at Kilravock. --------------- The above extracts are taken from the book "THE HISTORY OF KILRAVOCK, 1290 to 1847." -------------

© philip medlicott 2021

Medlicott of Dunmurry

THE LINEAGE OF

MARGARET, wife of James Edward Medlicott, of

Dunmurry,

County Kildare, Ireland:-

The ROSE family of Kilravock (pronounced Kilrawock), County Nairn, Scotland, is of such early origin as to be (according to Scotch genealogists) lost in antiquity. The heads of the family were known as "Barons" or holders of freehold estates, a title that passed out of use more than a hundred years ago. A HUGH ROSE of Kilravock died 1755. His daughter Margaret married Joshua Mackenzie, M.D., a direct descendant of Mackenzie of Kintail. Their daughter Hannah married in 1755 John Davidson of Ravelrigg, whose son - Joshua Henry Davidson. M.D., Physician in Ordinary to H.M. - married Stuart, the beautiful daughter of Captain Sutherland and Margaret Dallas his wife.(Stuart Davidson's portrait by Geddes is in the possession of her Great-grandson Captain Richard Herbert Shaw.) Dr. Davidson and his wife Stuart had, (with other children) a daughter Margaret, who married James Edward Medlicott, of Dunmurry, County Kildare. NOTES. The eldest son of Margaret Rose, who married Joshua Mackenzie, M.D., was Henry Mackenzie, well known in the literary circles of his time, as "The Man of Feeling," from the title of one of his works. His portrait is in the National Gallery of Scotland. A print from this picture hangs in Dunmurry. Henry Mackenzie married Penuel, daughter of Sir Ludovic Grant, and their son Joshua Henry (Lord of Appeal in Scotland) married the Hon. Helen Anne Mackenzie, daughter of Lord Seaforth (title now extinct). Helen Mackenzie Medlicott, 4th daughter of James E. Medlicott of Dunmurry, was named after her (the Hon. Helen Anne Mackenzie), whose daughter, Miss Penuel Mackenzie, was her god-mother. There in a beautiful window in Christ Church Priory, near Bournemouth, to some of the ROSE family, who probably came South after the troubles of 1715 and ’45. ROSE graves are to be seen in the Priory graveyard. A Place at Mudeford, near Christchurch, was once the residence of a Sir William Rose, with whom Sir Walter Scott was staying, when he wrote "Marmion". The name of the place is "Gundimore". The room in which Sir Walter Scott wrote is octagonal, with an inscription in Arabic over the chimneypiece, a feature of great curiosity to sightseers. ----------

EXTRACTS from the HISTORY of the ROSE FAMILY

of KILRAVOCK, County of Nairn, Scotland.

-------------------- The HISTORY of the family of ROSE, of KILRAVOCK was first printed in 1683 or 4, by the Rev. Hew Rose, Minister of Nairn, collected from very early M.S.S., which had survived the various assaults made on Kilravock and the Church of Elgin, by Edward the First and others, in 1390 and 1482. The name Rose has been variously written. In or about the 14th Century the owner of Kilravock was Hugoni de Rose - later – ROOS, ROIS and ROSS. Their coat of arms is "Or, a boar's head couped gules, betwixt three water‑budgets sable. Above the shield - ane helmet (befitting his degree) mantled gules, doubled argent. Next is placed ane torse or wreath of his colours, for his crest - ane harp azure. The Motto is "Constant and True." The Water-budgets are on several very ancient coats of arms. i.e., Earls Eu of Normandie in France; Earls of Essex, and the Bourchier family. They originated with the crusaders, water-budgets being the means of carrying water in the East, and was given to those crusaders who "caryed valiantly".) The boar's head was assumed in 1364 by a Rose marrying a daughter of a Chisholm, whose arms the boar's head was. The 3 lyons was taken by the 1st Earl of Ross (undoubtedly a kinsman of Rose of Kilravock, who was of an earlier branch of the family). The 1st Earl of Ross had the 3 lyons bestowed on him for "Prowess In overthrowing a Norman wrestler in the presence of the Kings of Scotland and England. The Arms of Normandie, Scotland and England bearing a lyon (lion)." Kilravock dates from 1200 or 1230. The first Hugo de Geddes, in the reign of Alexander the 3rd, married into the de Bosco family. Sir Andrew de Bosco married Elizabeth Bisset, who was heiress and "Ladye of Kilravock," and in her widowhood gave Kilravock to her son-in-law Hugo de Rose and his wife, somewhere about 1280 or 1300. This Hugo (or Hugh) de Rose died 1306. In May 1343, John de Rose obtained King James the First's (of Scotland) confirmation of his ownership of Kilravock by Royal Charter. (Kilravock was then styled a "Barronie," and its owner a "Baron," meaning a laird with certain powers, but not a nobleman)". The present owner of Kilravock (1939) is Colonel Hugh Rose, late of the famous Regt. the 42nd Highlanders, or Black Watch". Colonel Rose is married and has a son. marriages 1. HUGH (or Hugo) de Geddes, m. Marie, dau. of Sir Andrew de Bosco, Kt. Her Mother was Elizabeth, dau. and heiress of a noble person - Sir John de Bisset. She was styled the "Ladye of Kilravock", and at her widowhood gave Kilravock to her daughter Marie and her son–in-law Hugo do Geddes. This Hugo de Geddes, first owner of Kilravock, d. about 1306, and was succeeded by his son 2. WILLIAM (Sir William). m. Muriella de Doune, dau. of Andrew de Doune. Succeeded by his son 3. HUGH. Name of wife not recorded. d. about 1363. Succeeded by his son 4. HUGH. m. Johanna de Chesholm (or Chisholm). d. 1388. Succeeded by his son 5. HUGH. No record of wife's name. In his time the charters of the family (and records) were burned in the Church of Elgin (and other churches), by Alexander of Scotland and some of the Highland Clans. d. about 1420, and was succeeded by his son 6. JOHN. m. Isabel Cheyne, dau. of the family of Essilmont in Buchan. d. about 1454. Succeeded by his second son (His oldest son became a Priest) 7. JOHN. m. Moir McIntosh. dau. of Malcolm Begg McIntosh, Captain of the Clanchattan. d. 1494. Succeeded by his son 8. HUGH. m. (1st) Isabel Sutherland, dau, of William Sutherland of Beridal. No record of children. (2nd) Margaret Gordon. dau. of the Marquis of Huntly. Hugh Rose married twice after (4 times in all). No record of children of last 2 marriages. (It in interesting to note that Hugh Rose had 3 daus. (1) Isabel, m. John, heir to William, the Thane of Calder or Cawder (see Shakespeare's "Macbeth"). His 3rd dau. m. Alexander, another son of the Thane of Cawder), Hugh Rose d. 1517, and was succeeded by his son by his second wife Margaret Gordon 9. HUGH. m. Agnes Urquhart, dau. of Alexander Urquhart of Cromartie (a very ancient family). d. about 1544, and was succeeded by his son 10. HUGH m. Katharen Falconer, dau. of David Falconer of Halkerstoune. This Hugh Rose was taken prisoner at the Battle of Pinkie, and ransomed for "ane hundred angels nobles." d. 1597, and was succeeded by his son 11. WILLIAM. m. Lilias Hay, dau. of - Hay of Dalgatie (a very ancient family). d. 1611. Succeeded by his son 12. HUGE. m. Magdalen Fraser, dau, of Thomas Fraser of Lovat. It is recorded of Magdalen Fraser, Lady Kilravock, that "She was a virtuous and religious woman, and contributed to maintain an exact government and economy in the family". Of the Baron Hugh Rose - "He might be truly called the father of his clan and tenants." Hugh Rose d. 1643, and was succeeded by his son 13. HUGH. m. Margaret Sinclair (or Sinclare), dau. of Sir John Sinclare of Dunbeth. (She had a very large dowry for those days, nearly £10,000). d. 1649. Succeeded by his son 14. HUGH. m. (1st) Margaret Innes, dau. of Sir Robert Innes. She was related through her Mother to the House of Buccleugh. (2nd) to Mary Forbes, dau. of Lord Forbes. Hugh Rose d. 1639, and was succeeded by his son Hugh (by his first wife) 15. HUGH. m. five times. (lst) Margaret Campbell, dau. of Sir Hugh Campbell and Lady Henrietta Stuart, dau. of the Earl of Murray (Muray or Moray). She had a son Hugh, and a daughter Margaret, who m. Sir John Mackenzie of Coul. He had four other wives of no importance as regards birth. (This marriage with Margaret Campbell brings in the Royal blood in succeeding generations - namely - the Stuart connection. Also - the connection with the Mackenzies of Coul). Hugh Rose d. 1732. Succeeded by his son 16. HUGH. born 1684 (the first record of birth of the heirs to be depended on). m. Elizabeth. dau. of Sir Ludovic Grant, Laird of Grant. She died about 1712 "much lamented, as she was a gentlewoman eminently pious and virtuous." Hugh Rose m. (2nd) Jean Rose dau. of John Rose of Braidley, and her daughter - Margaret - m. Joshua Mackenzie, M.D. (Here the family connection with the Mackenzies comes in). Hugh Rose openly joined the Protestant Party, and voted against the Treaty of Union. He would not join in the attempt made in 1715 by the Stuarts to uphold their rights. He d. 1755, and was succeeded by his son. 17. HUGH. b. about 1705. m. Elizabeth, dau. of Col. William Clephane. Records tell us "He was a gentleman of polite accomplishments. Master of the Greek, Latin and French languages, and was well acquainted with the belles-lettres and history, both ancient and modern. His life was sober, upright and impartial." He d. 1772, and was succeeded by his son 18. HUGH. Date of birth not certain. m. Anne Fraser (a girl of low birth but of great beauty). Hugh Rose d. 1782, and was succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth. 19. ELIZABETH. b. 1747, m. her kinsman Hugh Rose of Brea. She d. 1815, and was succeeded by her son 20. HUGH. No record of date of birth. He never married. Entered the Civil Service of the East India Company. It is recorded that "He inherited the gentle manners and retiring nature of his family. With an expression of gravity, he had quick perception, and much humorous power in conversation." He had a passionate attachment to the old place (Kilravock). This Hugh Rose d. comparatively young, and was succeeded by his brother 21. JOHN. No record of birth. Entered the Army early, and was Captain in the 55th Regiment. He m. Ellen Phyllis, dau. of Richard Pattinson of Montreal. No record of date of death. Succeeded by his son 22. HUGE. Entered the Army and is Colonel (retired) of the famous 42nd Regt. (the "Black Watch"). He is married and has a son. He is still living (1939) at Kilravock. --------------- The above extracts are taken from the book "THE HISTORY OF KILRAVOCK, 1290 to 1847." -------------